Plato & Socrates’ Trial
Second Class
September 14, 1999
Who was Plato?
All philosophy a footnote to Plato
A belief in absolutes
Justice is an absolute
Not what people, the state or the gods say it is
Knowledge is passive
A kind of contemplation or vision
Like mathematical or religious insight
The Euthyphro
- What is justice?
- Euthyphro
- A "smug fool"
- Indicting his father
- For murder & disloyalty to the state
- Euthyphro’s father killed a farm hand
- Bound him while he sent to Athens
- To ask the priest what to do
Relativism vs. Essentialism
- Euthyphro’s definition of piety & impiety
- What the gods do should be our standard
- Cronos castrated his own father
- For wrongfully devouring his own children
- Socrates wants to know
- The characteristic that makes all actions pious
- Not one or two examples of pious acts
Euthyphro’s definition of piety
- What is pious is
- What is pleasing to the gods
- What is impious is
- What is not pleasing to them
- Socrates objects
- But the gods disagree
Socrates’ criticism of Euthyphro
- People agree that
- The unjust & only the unjust should be punished
- People disagree about
- Who is just & who is unjust
- Socrates asks Euthyphro how he can know
- The gods would find what he did just & what his father did unjust
Socrates’ crucial question
- Do the gods love a pious act
- Because it is pious?
- Or is an act pious
- Because the gods love it?
My dog Lolly
- Am I loveable
- Because Lolly loves me?
- Does Lolly love me
- Because I am loveable?
Inherent vs. relative properties
- The Socratic method
- Get someone to "see" the true nature of things
- If what the gods love is a criterion
- Then, the gods love an act b/c it is pious
- Not, an act is pious b/c the gods love it
Summing up
- Euthyphro hasn’t explained
- The essential nature of piety
- Hence should not prosecute his old father
- Contemporary children who
- Prosecute parents for child abuse
- Does their saying they were abused mean that they were?